The UK's new immigration points system: what do you think?
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Ishola Bamidele, UK (2006.03.22 14:12:19)
The new points is system is just a way of discouraging potential immigrants from migrating to the UK. What specifically will motivate me in UK if am earning 40,000pds equivalent per annum in my country? No genuine individual earning this much will leave his country for uncertainties except those who doctored their applicaion and documentations to support it. The conditions attached to sponsorship under the other tiers other than tier 1 is as good as saying no deal. No employers will be willing to go that extra length or face such burden because of engaging a foreigner. To me, the whole system is not very fair.
S Watson, uk (2006.03.20 13:02:07)
Where do you overseas students get your ideas from. You do not pay more for your education than British people. We pay UK taxes, our families pay uk taxes. Our universities are goverment owned and run. Why should the universities sell places to overseas students when some of our own young people are excluded?? Their parents have paid taxes to let their children have an opportunity. It is being sold. The universities are subsidised bu the UK government for home students only. It is only fair that overseas students pay a higher price. I doubt that the fees cover the costs of running the courses and the wellfare provision.
Bangbose, Anony (2006.03.16 05:26:38)
Simply put, I think the system is nonsense. Why would I leave my high-paying job to migrate to the UK for not real incentive. Nonsense!!!
I think the system is aimed a syphoning desperate immigrants money. It is expensive and ....its nonsense
Lisa, UK (2006.03.15 14:51:19)
I think it might be fairer but how exactly will it work? They are combining this with an extension on the amount of time it takes to get ILR and I hope that once they have decided they will stick to it and make it more straight forward!
Wenge Musica, Germany (2006.03.13 20:17:06)
Why would I immigrate to the UK if am already earning the equivalent of atleast 40k pounds with my current job? Surely, it takes a certified fool to leave a well paying job to run after a shimmering mirage somewhere in the UK. Makes me think of that proverbial dog. And what is this achivement rubbish? How does one formally describe or quantify archivement?
This is laughable. UK govt is run by quixotic people.
Lijo Jose, UK (2006.03.13 15:46:08)
We foreigners demand many things from the government here forgetting the fact that we are exactly that - foreigners. However, I do not think the British government has made it easy for them or the potential immigrants by modifying the already biased immigration rules into an even more non-reliable system, especially for students who wish to gain valuable experience in their chosen field. Students who go back home would benefit more from a few years of quality work experience obtained from the UK after their studies rather than a plain old degree. I do realise that it is not easy for the government to create immigration rules that would benefit them, the economy, the British people and the potential immigrants all at the same time. Nevertheless, refusing international students a platform to gain some quality work experience is not very noble. International students should be given an opportunity to work here for a few years not simply for humanity sake but also because they charge international students almost three times what they charge the British nationals.
Lanre, Nigeria (2006.03.10 16:30:04)
First things first, you need to understand where the UK govt. stands and how they see this immigration matter. Granted the UK is in need of skilled and talented professionals to help boost its economy, however let me remind you all that the current Blair administration almost lost out in the election race because of the fact that "most" britons felt the immigration laws had too many loop holes, which allowed unqualified people all over the world to stay in the UK. I recollect various billboards and poster across london openly opposing the fact that immigrants were in the UK, plus the opposition conservatives ensured that they made life miserable for the labour party during the elections simply bcos of this point. Let us not forget the fact that UK is now on the radar for suicide bombers who may well be illegal immigrants also. UK that used to be a very safe country is now a high risk country. Yo think that makes government happy?? think again my immigrant friends.
What are the issues to consider?
1) The UK requires skilled labour - Ans: ensure that only skilled labour is allowed to gain immigration status / work permits in the UK.
2) There are a high number of illegal immigrants in the UK - Ans: Enlist measures to weed out illegal immigrants and make it difficult for them for be employed, forcing them out of the UK.
3) Blair almost lost the elections bcos of lax immigration laws - Ans: Develop new immigration laws with very tight conditions
4) The security conditions in the UK just got extremely worse with suicide bombers striking simultneously and killing numbers of britons and foreign tourists - Ans: Ensure that wherever possible, it is difficult for immirants to come to UK except we reeeeaaaallllyyy need them, all the others are insignificant to the cost of our safety and right to live.
In summary, it seems the UK is really interested in bringing skilled persons to the country to work but not at the expense of its security, and certainly not at the cost of a Labour Party Election.
Bottom line: Quit whining about it.
Amar, Mauritius (2006.03.10 13:45:58)
It remains to be seen how the new system will be implemented. Even with the present system there is an element of subjectivity when it comes to awarding points for achievement in chosen field. What may be regarded as an achievement in country X may not necessarily be considered as one in country Y or in the UK. Therefore, why not awarding more points for work experience in chosen field; and to get do away with the two types of achievements. Not every intelligent person may have achieved something significantly in his field.
Peter Oludamola Afolabi, USA (2006.03.10 13:04:54)
The UK at it again. UK should stop dribbling the world because it seems those incaharge of skill migration policy do not know what they are doing, SEGS and Fresh Talents were lunched for british trained graduates without reliable provission for route to settlement but the kangaroo HSMP. It is a common sense that a fresh science graduate in the UK can not earn more than 19k as starter but the UK wants these SEGS and Fresh talent participants to start earning 40k immediately and also gain four years work experience within a year, it is so ridiculous. Now similar scheme is to be lunched in US for science graduates with advance degrees and the easiest provission has readily been made for the route to settlement. The new scheme (five tierts) is alright but there should be increament in the age limit afterall the age limit for youth in the UK is 35yr therefore the age limit should be raised to 35yr. To retain the best scientists The UK should allow british trained graduates (both home and international science graduates from UK schools)) to benefit from research opportunities (like studenship and postdoctoral) in UK schools. It is so disappointing that the UK will prefer somebody from france or Italy that does not understand english language to a south african or jamaican with very good result that speaks and writes very good english for research opportunity. I was a participant of the UK unpromising and no direction SEGS but now in US for promising future.
idris orankan, u.k (2006.03.10 12:15:28)
It's sad that people educated here will lose out. People who have low skilled jobs will not benefit. Blacks , asians and other developing countries will never have it easy.T he system is good on paper but in reality it's very difficult. Gov may have good intention, people working in these department don't. They will make it difficult for geniune ones and make it easy for rogues. God save the world.
FOLUSO AMUSA, UK (2006.03.10 11:28:11)
The decision of the government to introduce this scheme is alright, but needs to be more structured and less sentiments. The government need to be fair in doing this - what is going to be the faith of some that spent thousands of pounds to get educated in institutions for number of years? And when he or she applied for residence permit and is denied on the basis of low points. I believe as well that more points should be allocated to students that studied here and decided to take a job here after completion of their studies. That's the only way they could impact what they studied. Let the UK government look into how this scheme is operated in AUS, CANADA, NZ. Thank you
Imtiaz Ahmad, UK (2006.03.10 09:51:40)
If the Government really wants to bring skilled immigrants in this contry then it must relax the point system because those who are well qualified and earning a good salary in their countries will never come to UK. Students who are qualified from British Universities should be given the chance to stay in this country and find good jobs for themselves. In this way UK Government can improve the chances of stopping skilled and educated people from going back to their countries. Students are investing huge amount of money in this country and they must be compensated for that.
Samy Rayan, Egypt (2006.03.10 07:22:07)
This is a good system if correctly impemented .
I would like to know, if a student spent 7 years at a UK university and achieved a Phd degree in electrical & electronic engineering with no practical experience and is still on a student visa, is he elegible to apply for UK immigration? and under which Tier?
Azhar, UK (2006.03.09 21:27:18)
I think there should be more points for people who have gained degrees from British universities. Students spending on average £10,000 here should be awarded with something extra. For highly skilled in TIER 1, where a student can show the earning of past 1 year when he is studying in last 2-3 years. So that is not fair, also in Tier 2 points for Bachelor and Master degree are same, what is the advantage of having MBA rather Bachelor in Business, when both carry the same 10 points. Last but not least, experience does not give any points in Tier 1 (HSMP), as employers in UK want fresh, young and graduate people rather people with full of experience, now that is something ridiculous. Persons spending years as experience are not awarded anything.
Muhammad MOHIUDDIN, Canada (2006.03.09 15:33:27)
As an immigrant in Canada I am always interested to know immigration news in anywhere in the world.The UK point system looks very complicated and very few people will genuinely get the required points. If the govt. really wants to bring talents from all of the world not only the super-talents, they should rethink the point calculator and redistribute or reduce required points. Those who qualify for the proposed or HSMP points they generally dont migrate. An example: An indian who earns 100000/150000 ruppie/month in india will not come to uncertainty in the UK.
Rajeev Kumaar, India (2006.03.09 13:33:28)
There is nothing new in this scheme. UK has made immigration more or less impossible for people who rank just below than Highly Skilled category. It would have been better if points in HSMP had been reduced. BYE BYE UK for most of the likely immigrants.
Alan Reynolds, United Kingdom (2006.03.09 12:02:39)
The points system is a very good idea for skilled workers but very unfair to lower educated, many who can contribute to society and govt by way of taxes etc.Sadly to say it seems the UK govt wants people from Poland etc for low paid manual or service related jobs...this will save the minimum wage going up.One Big Question is What are the degrees in various contries worth? It's about time also that the UK govt allowed for legal immigrants that have Idefinate Leave to Remain or become British Citizens to be allowed the right to petition for family to enter the UK as immigrants.The UK govt wants the talented but at what sacrifice?? My wife for example is from the Philippines and has a degree but the embassy tries to make it as difficult as possible to even bring family members on a vacation to the UK...The most classical excuses are Due to Personal,Social or Economic reasons the ECO doubts they will return to the Philippines after a visit to the UK...or if the family here has children the embassy refuses the visa based on Domestic Help...The UK govt and other countries must WAKE UP to the fact that its the little man on the street that's not educated and works numerous hours to support his family that keeps this country going.I am one of these people also and British born etc and sacrifice in paying more in taxes with lack of quality time to share with my family...Many Immigrants are in the same position as support family in their countries of origin. My own personal view is that the UK should withdraw from the EU and be part of NAFTA only...we have more in common with USA,Canada,Australia than France etc...
Kehinde Babatunde Olabode, Nigeria (2006.03.09 12:00:57)
What a welcome development. I hope it will be done with fairness and favour those that are really skilled workers and who are indeed ready to migrate for the good of taking Great Britain to a greater height, and I hope it will replace the much dreaded HSMP.
AJE DAMILOLA, NIGERIA (2006.03.09 10:25:49)
It is a good development. The points required should be made reasonable enough to allow more peaple to qualify.
Zina, UK (2006.03.09 09:40:34)
I agree with the person that said that priority should be given to the Commonwealth citizens. I think this is a complicated method and I wonder if the 10 year rule still applies for people who have stayed long in the UK. Also no points were given if you have family in the UK, like they do in Canada, Aus and NZ.
Tunde Rashid, Nigeria (2006.03.09 07:51:21)
This is a welcome development, but it should be done with fairness and equity. Also commonwealth citizens should be prioritized.
abdel-aziz osman, ghana (2006.03.09 06:11:59)
It is very sad that with the influx of eastern European immigrants into the UK the British government is doing everything possible to make the entry of black commonwealth immigrants more and more difficult.
William, Malaysia (2006.03.09 05:10:20)
Happy to learn that UK has finally come out with its own points system immigration programme because its Highly Skilled Migrant Programme is a total failure since implemented 3 years ago.
I think UK should give priority (extra point) to citizens from the Commonwealth countries because we in general understand British system better than people from other part of the world.
IV, India (2006.03.09 03:33:59)
This will open new doors of corruption. People will get doctored references to prove work experience. This is already happening in HSMP and will occur when the new points system comes into force.
Martin Kelly, UK (2006.03.08 20:56:39)
I am delighted to see that so many people have opinions on how many people can come and live in my country - whether they are actually needed or not.
Dragan, Canada (2006.03.08 19:37:40)
Honest people that do not want to break the low and lie to authorities practically didn’t stand a chance to immigrate to UK with their families and settle there for good. They went to Canada and Australia instead, benefiting their economies. In the meantime UK got 3 million illegal immigrants that are all but burden and source of trouble. If there is a need for labour force, it will come one way or another. The only question is what kind of people will immigrate. No law is perfect, but this one will hopefully bring some sanity at least.
Fisal, UK (2006.03.08 18:47:11)
This should include people who are skilled overstayers inside the UK- they are in a cruel limbo.
Simon Richard, USA (2006.03.08 18:06:12)
This is a very fair system I believe. The complexities are not there. Wonderful system and job opportunities are going to be definetly increased by encouraging highly skilled people to come to UK.
Jo, from Wales, UK (2006.03.08 17:40:19)
Well, I think every rule will always favour 20% and the remaining 80% (very important percentage) would have to suffer for such rules. So what happens to those studying for 10 years in UK and who cannot even get a decent job simply because of the silly bureaucracy involved with obtaining work permit.
Vicci, Trinidad (2006.03.08 14:49:51)
So we will now see UK favouring the Eastern Europeans and kicking out the former Commonwealth people who were their bedrock in low paid jobs all this time. The low skilled will have to give up their jobs to the new partners.
Thanks, Tony.
naunihal singh, india (2006.03.08 13:47:05)
This is the best way to attract skilled people to the UK. Both parties will benefit from this system.
Muhammad Zahid, England (2006.03.08 13:08:15)
As it is mentioned in your web site that "All applicants other than the most highly skilled will need to provide a certificate of sponsorship from an approved sponsor, such as an employer or a school". If it is true than I am quite sure that the people who have companies & businesses here in UK can easily manupulate the system. And can bring their relatives through this system. In UK many well educated people do odd jobs with less pay becasue of flaws in the current system. I hope that new point system will help those people as well.
oloruntola oluwole, nigeria (2006.03.08 12:02:19)
It is a welcome development.
David, England (2006.03.08 07:23:25)
Does anybody know when this points system will come into effect?
Dan Luo, england (2006.03.07 20:02:19)
It is more complicated and more subjective, and therefore, it is not going to work.
Tariq, Britain, Birmingham (2006.03.07 17:32:19)
Good. But also asylum seekers, failed or not, who are studying in British Universities and who have language, cultural, and living skills in Britain, must benefit from such a system, in having their cases re-considered in light of what they are doing...
They would contribute to this country and substitute for its missing 1.4 million graduates who left UK over the last 10 years.
Mihai, romania (2006.03.07 17:12:29)
I think a point system for immigration is good in theory. But the point system which is in UK is very hard to reach. I dont know how many people got PhD by the age of 28. I graduated a University which is recognised everywhere around the world but UK. I worked in a position like project manager for a national institute but not for 5 years. And there are some other examples ... I think the points systems in Canada and Australia, even New Zealand, are far better than UK one.
Jonathan Yim, Singapore (2006.03.07 16:54:15)
This is definitely good news for people who have the skills but not able to get any sponsorship from UK companies. I faced frustrating moments when UK companies are not willing to consider me when they know I need company to apply for a work permit for me. This can definitely encourage skilled people to consider the UK, as other European countries are very rigid in their immigration systems.
07 March 2006
The UK today announced its new points system for immigration.
The Highly Skilled Migrant Programme and work permit schemes will be replaced by a single points-based system. The aim is to allow entry to those whose skills will benefit the UK. The more skills you have, and the more those skills are in demand, the more points you will gain, increasing your likelihood of entry to the UK. Such systems are already used in other countries, such as Australia, which believes the system is much more transparent and responsive to the needs of the economy. It is not expected to be in use until at least mid-2007.
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